Eating the Hell

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See, that’s what the app is perfect for.

Sounds perfect Wahhhh, I don’t wanna
fatfemmearoorc
bogleech

Another weird and frustrating phenomenon when you get sucked into an argument with conservative types (something I usually try to avoid bothering with anymore) is that there’s this very narrow set of people they’re convinced are key figures, even “leaders” on any given topic. Talk about climate change and they bring up Al Gore. Talk about women’s rights and they bring up Anita Sarkeesian.

To this day I have NO IDEA what any of those people have ever said on those topics, and in most cases, I never even heard of them outside of conservative complaints and memes. I would never know the name Anita Sarkeesian if she wasn’t one random blogger out of thousands that an obscure niche of people went positively ballistic over. I’ve never heard of anyone accepting the existence of global warming just because non-scientist Al Gore said to.

If I tell them this they never believe it. They’re completely convinced that the beliefs they hate actually revolve around some random youtubers or B-list politicians they randomly elevated into their own bugbears and the idea that the people they fight hardest against actually have barely any influence or fame outside their own subculture seems almost impossible for them to accept.

kajedheat

George Soros.

I always see people saying George Soros pays people like me to protest (I wish), or buses people to vote on battleground states, some way or another he has us under our thrall.

I don’t even know who the fuck George Soros IS

I don’t even feel bothered to Google him and find out- he’s utterly irrelevant to my life. But apparently all liberals are on his payroll somehow.

bogleech

I, too, never heard of George Soros before just recently.

They could make up absolutely any name in these arguments and it would have just as much meaning to me. “You’re only pro-vaccine because you’re shilling for Jiminy Ferpendoodle!!!”

ampersandworm

I’ve heard this referred to as the central fallacy of the authoritarian mindset: It’s not that authoritarians don’t care about facts, it’s that facts aren’t real until they are confirmed by an Authority. Of course no liberal believed in Global Warming until Al Gore said so! Why would they believe it, until Someone In Charge said it? And moreover, if you can prove That Person Isn’t Really An Authority, the facts will change! See also:

  • Why Creationists are obsessed with disproving Darwin - not his theory, but the man himself. As if casting doubt on Darwin-a-dude-born-in-eighteen-fucking-oh-nine-for-chrissake-’s personal beliefs will somehow completely disprove the ensuing two centuries of scientific research.
  • Why various idiot politicians try to legislate away Global Climate Change, as if making laws against the ocean will stop it from rising. 

I’m sure you could add on ten thousand bullet points but it’s Saturday and I don’t wanna do the research when I could be cleaning my kitchen and playing Minecraft. 

buchergenuss32

This is actually supported by psychological and sociological research into authoritarianism; on @ampersandworm​‘s comment on doing the research, I have to recommend Bob Altemeyer’s excellent (and free!) book, The Authoritarians, where he summarizes his research into the authoritarian mindset in a layman accessible manner (and, yes, I do love the irony that, in response to a comment about how conservatives only believe something when supported by An Authority, I’m linking to An Authority for discussion on that mindset).  It is really worth a read to gain some insight into the mindset of American authoritarians.  

For a more succinct summary, however, have a comment from Prof. Altemeyer on Trump and Authoritarian followers (bolding from me):

We know a lot about authoritarian followers, but unfortunately most of what we know indicates it will be almost impossible to change their minds, especially in a few months. Here are a dozen things established by research.

  1. They are highly ethnocentric, highly inclined to see the world as their in-group versus everyone else. Because they are so committed to their in-group, they are very zealous in its cause.
  2. They are highly fearful of a dangerous world. Their parents taught them, more than parents usually do, that the world is dangerous. They may also be genetically predisposed to experiencing stronger fear than most people do.
  3. They are highly self-righteous. They believe they are the “good people” and this unlocks a lot of hostile impulses against those they consider bad.
  4. They are aggressive. Given the chance to attack someone with the approval of an authority, they will lower the boom.
  5. They are highly prejudiced against racial and ethnic majorities, non-heterosexuals, and women in general.
  6. Their beliefs are a mass of contradictions. They have highly compartmentalized minds, in which opposite beliefs exist side-by-side in adjacent boxes. As a result, their thinking is full of double-standards.
  7. They reason poorly. If they like the conclusion of an argument, they don’t pay much attention to whether the evidence is valid or the argument is consistent.
  8. They are highly dogmatic. Because they have gotten their beliefs mainly from the authorities in their lives, rather than think things out for themselves, they have no real defense when facts or events indicate they are wrong. So they just dig in their heels and refuse to change.
  9. They are very dependent on social reinforcement of their beliefs. They think they are right because almost everyone they know, almost every news broadcast they see, almost every radio commentator they listen to, tells them they are. That is, they screen out the sources that will suggest that they are wrong.
  10. Because they severely limit their exposure to different people and ideas, they vastly overestimate the extent to which other people agree with them. And thinking they are “the moral majority” supports their attacks on the “evil minorities” they see in the country.
  11. They are easily duped by manipulators who pretend to espouse their causes when all the con-artists really want is personal gain.
  12. They are largely blind to themselves. They have little self-understanding and insight into why they think and do what they do.

Points number 6, 7, 8 and 9 are what lead to the “argument from authority” tendency that OP noted.  

captaindjwalnut

when people say “George Soros” they mean “the Jews” but know they can’t say the latter out loud. see also “globalists” 

queeranarchism

Yup. Almost every time some random person gets cast as somehow the Leader of the Left by right wing authoritarians, that person is either Jewish or can easily be re-branded as Jewish, having lots of Jewish friends, being connected, etc. Not everyone involved in this strategy knows that they’re doing it, but they are.

So if you’re immersed in this right-wing culture where you genuinely believe that George Soros is an important factor in ‘the left’, and one day you start to realize that a lot of these people that you’ve decided are Important are also Jewish, your first thought isn’t goinng to be “this is an antisemetic smear campaign”. That would require changing your whole worldview. So instead your first thought is “The Jewish world conspiracy is real!”

Which is the moment when someone goes from proto-fascist to classic nazi.

fatfemmearoorc
deepshowerthoughts

School isn’t actually meant to teach you real life skills, it’s actually meant to get you used to waking up early and going to a boring and miserable job every day.

libertariansuccialism

A lot of people read this and think it’s just juvenile shit kids complain about. But this is literally how mass education started. The necessity of disciplining formerly farming people, used to setting their own schedules, into the rhythms of the industrial economy, was why mass education was born.

nyxwoven
bara-paladin

In 2019 we grow from sex positivity to sex responsibility, meaning we:

  • call out shitty people who are just abusers and using kink/polyamory to mask it and stop supporting them
  • recognize that sometimes hypersexuality can be a form a self-harm for some people
  • keep kinks and fetishes in appropriate spaces and not bringing them out into general public spaces and thereby involving people in scenes they aren’t consenting to 
  • understand that some fetishes are inherently unhealthy and some illegal to actually engage in for good reason and ignoring that is irresponsible at best